Number of https virtual hosts support under v2.0.59

Number of https virtual hosts support under v2.0.59

am 26.02.2010 21:55:20 von Ruiyuan Jiang

Hi, all

How many https virtual hosts supported under Apache v2.0.59? I can't test w=
ith v2.2.14 since the bug I just filed.=20

On my Solaris 10, Apache 2.0.59 reverse proxy server, I have a https virtua=
l host defined with a real certificate from a CA and forward https traffic =
to a backend server (different server). I have multiple http reverse proxy =
servers defined but only one https reverse proxy server defined. The https =
session is redirected from http session and it works.

Now I'd like to add another test https reverse proxy server with a self sig=
ned certificate which the traffic will be redirected from internet client's=
http session and communicate with the backend server (different server) wi=
th http traffic. In my ssl.conf file, I basically did copy and paste the co=
nfiguration from the one that works, append the configuration at the bottom=
of the ssl.conf and made necessary changes. The configuration test passed =
fine.

When I started "apachectl startssl", it prompts me for the pass phrase with=
the self signed one and it never prompts for the real certificate's pass p=
hrase. I was expecting two pass phrase prompts, one for each https server.

I used Firefox to access self-signed site and it prompts that certificate d=
oes not match. The detail of the certificate shows the certificate used for=
the session is the real certificate not self-signed one. When I access the=
site that has real certificate and it works correct. The problem happens o=
n IE 6 also.=20

So I wonder whether Apache 2.0.59 supports more than one https reverse prox=
y setup? Thanks in advance.

Ryan



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Re: Number of https virtual hosts support under v2.0.59

am 01.03.2010 10:12:53 von Krist van Besien

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Ruiyuan Jiang wrote:

> So I wonder whether Apache 2.0.59 supports more than one https reverse proxy setup? Thanks in advance.

You probably are trying to use name based https vertual posts. This
used to be impossible, not due to limitations in apache, but due to
limitations in the SSL protocol.

More background to this problem you can find here:
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ssl/ssl_faq.html#vhosts

When I'm saying "it used to be impossible" I am indeed implaying that
nowadays this can be made to function, due an extension to the SSL
protocol, named SNI. This requires a bleeding edge apache and only
works with recent browsers though.

Krist

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RE: Number of https virtual hosts support underv2.0.59

am 01.03.2010 16:30:48 von Ruiyuan Jiang

Thanks for the response, Krist.=20
The version of openssl that I am using is good 0.98l. The problem is the Ap=
ache since I can't use 2.2.14 because the bug it has. See my another post a=
bout the page does not refresh automatically after user logs in. I guess I =
have to try to use work around.
By the way, you stated "only works with recent browsers though." What brows=
ers and versions work with that, Firefox or IE or both?

Ryan

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From: Krist van Besien [mailto:krist.vanbesien@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:13 AM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Number of https virtual hosts support under v2.0=
..59

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Ruiyuan Jiang wrot=
e:

> So I wonder whether Apache 2.0.59 supports more than one https reverse pr=
oxy setup? Thanks in advance.

You probably are trying to use name based https vertual posts. This
used to be impossible, not due to limitations in apache, but due to
limitations in the SSL protocol.

More background to this problem you can find here:
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ssl/ssl_faq.html#vhosts

When I'm saying "it used to be impossible" I am indeed implaying that
nowadays this can be made to function, due an extension to the SSL
protocol, named SNI. This requires a bleeding edge apache and only
works with recent browsers though.

Krist

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Re: Number of https virtual hosts support under v2.0.59

am 03.03.2010 11:36:19 von Krist van Besien

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Ruiyuan Jiang wrote=
:
> Thanks for the response, Krist.
> The version of openssl that I am using is good 0.98l. The problem is the =
Apache since I can't use 2.2.14 because the bug it has. See my another post=
about the page does not refresh automatically after user logs in. I guess =
I have to try to use work around.
> By the way, you stated "only works with recent browsers though." What bro=
wsers and versions work with that, Firefox or IE or both?
(from wikipedia)
Browsers

Browsers with support for TLS server name indication:

* Mozilla Firefox 2.0 or later
* Opera 8.0 or later (the TLS 1.1 protocol must be enabled)
* Internet Explorer 7 (Vista or higher, not XP) or later
* Google Chrome (Vista or higher, not XP)
* Safari Safari 3.2.1 and newer on Mac OS X 10.5.6 and Windows
Vista or higher, not XP


Krist

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RE: Number of https virtual hosts support underv2.0.59

am 12.03.2010 17:43:38 von Ruiyuan Jiang

Hi, Krist

I tested with Apache 2.2.15 reverse proxy with two certs on the Apache, one=
is real cert and the other is self-signed. The configuration is virtualhos=
ts for ssl.=20
The results that I got are:

On PC client:

Firefox v3.5.8 showed correct certs, one real and the other is not.
IE 8 showed incorrect when I viewed the certs. The self-signed cert site us=
ed the real cert.

On MAC client:

Both Safari 4.0.4 and Firefox 3.5.2 showed correctly, one real and one self=
-signed cert.

My question is eventually both sites will have real certs when I am done te=
sting. Will IE 6 and above uses the correct certs or only uses one cert, ma=
y be the first virtual host listed in ssl configuration file of Apache?

Thanks.

Ryan


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From: Krist van Besien [mailto:krist.vanbesien@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:36 AM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Number of https virtual hosts support under v2.0=
..59

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Ruiyuan Jiang wrote:
> Thanks for the response, Krist.
> The version of openssl that I am using is good 0.98l. The problem is the =
Apache since I can't use 2.2.14 because the bug it has. See my another post=
about the page does not refresh automatically after user logs in. I guess =
I have to try to use work around.
> By the way, you stated "only works with recent browsers though." What bro=
wsers and versions work with that, Firefox or IE or both?
(from wikipedia)
Browsers

Browsers with support for TLS server name indication:

* Mozilla Firefox 2.0 or later
* Opera 8.0 or later (the TLS 1.1 protocol must be enabled)
* Internet Explorer 7 (Vista or higher, not XP) or later
* Google Chrome (Vista or higher, not XP)
* Safari Safari 3.2.1 and newer on Mac OS X 10.5.6 and Windows
Vista or higher, not XP


Krist

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Re: Number of https virtual hosts support under v2.0.59

am 12.03.2010 17:58:02 von Philip Wigg

On 12 March 2010 16:43, Ruiyuan Jiang wrote:
> Hi, Krist
>
> I tested with Apache 2.2.15 reverse proxy with two certs on the Apache, one is real cert and the other is self-signed. The configuration is virtualhosts for ssl.
> The results that I got are:
>
> On PC client:
>
> Firefox v3.5.8 showed correct certs, one real and the other is not.
> IE 8 showed incorrect when I viewed the certs. The self-signed cert site used the real cert.
>
> On MAC client:
>
> Both Safari 4.0.4 and Firefox 3.5.2 showed correctly, one real and one self-signed cert.
>
> My question is eventually both sites will have real certs when I am done testing. Will IE 6 and above uses the correct certs or only uses one cert, may be the first virtual host listed in ssl configuration file of Apache?

Presuming you've configured SNI correctly, what operating system are
you using? Note that SNI only works with IE 7 and 8 only work when
running on Vista or higher, not with Windows XP. IE6 doesn't support
SNI at all and never will to my knowledge.

Are you putting this on a live site to be accessed by unknown users on
the internet? If so, basically, don't. Most users on the internet will
not be running an SNI-capable browser.

-- Phil.

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connections monitor

am 12.03.2010 19:01:34 von Brent Davidson

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I am wondering if there is a way some of you are aware of to monitor concur=
rent connections to the Apache server, that does not include counting all t=
he IP's in the access log at one point in time?

Thanks,
Brent

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if there is a way some of you are aware of to monitor concurrent connection=
s to the Apache server, that does not include counting all the IP's in the =
access log at one point in time?


 

Thanks,

Brent
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Re: connections monitor

am 12.03.2010 19:17:16 von Reese

On 12-Mar-10 13:01, Brent Davidson wrote:
> I am wondering if there is a way some of you are aware of to monitor concurrent connections to the Apache server, that does not include counting all the IP's in the access log at one point in time?

Do you have shell access? Investigate the ps command, then investigate
piping the top command through grep to isolate the processes you are
interested in.

Reese



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RE: connections monitor

am 12.03.2010 19:36:37 von Emmanuel Bailleul

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De=A0: Reese [mailto:howell.r@inkworkswell.com]
> Envoyé : vendredi 12 mars 2010 19:17
> À : users@httpd.apache.org
> Objet=A0: Re: [users@httpd] connections monitor
>=20
> On 12-Mar-10 13:01, Brent Davidson wrote:
> > I am wondering if there is a way some of you are aware of to monitor
> concurrent connections to the Apache server, that does not include
> counting all the IP's in the access log at one point in time?
>=20
> Do you have shell access? Investigate the ps command, then investigate
> piping the top command through grep to isolate the processes you are
> interested in.
>=20
> Reese
>=20

Hi,

Why not have a look at mod_status :
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_status.html

and use it with some rrdtool based tool like collectd for ex. :
http://collectd.org/wiki/index.php/Plugin:Apache


Regards

Emmanuel

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RE: Number of https virtual hosts support underv2.0.59

am 12.03.2010 19:39:45 von Ruiyuan Jiang

Hi, Philip

I don't know how to configure SNI on Apache since I don't see anything from=
mod_ssl's document that Krist replied to me before. I assume it automatica=
lly works. I just configured ssl virtualhost the same way as http virtualho=
st plus ssl's unique requirements.
I use Windows XP. I tested IE 8 with Vista on a MacBook and it works since =
that is what I have at the moment.
I was planning to have live sites on the internet by unknown users. Now I g=
uess I need to have second thought.
I tested on v2.0.59. It needs a lot of IPs for certs that I'd like to migra=
te to.

Ryan



-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Wigg [mailto:phil@philipwigg.co.uk]=20
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 11:58 AM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Number of https virtual hosts support under v2.0=
..59

On 12 March 2010 16:43, Ruiyuan Jiang wrote:
> Hi, Krist
>
> I tested with Apache 2.2.15 reverse proxy with two certs on the Apache, o=
ne is real cert and the other is self-signed. The configuration is virtualh=
osts for ssl.
> The results that I got are:
>
> On PC client:
>
> Firefox v3.5.8 showed correct certs, one real and the other is not.
> IE 8 showed incorrect when I viewed the certs. The self-signed cert site =
used the real cert.
>
> On MAC client:
>
> Both Safari 4.0.4 and Firefox 3.5.2 showed correctly, one real and one se=
lf-signed cert.
>
> My question is eventually both sites will have real certs when I am done =
testing. Will IE 6 and above uses the correct certs or only uses one cert, =
may be the first virtual host listed in ssl configuration file of Apache?

Presuming you've configured SNI correctly, what operating system are
you using? Note that SNI only works with IE 7 and 8 only work when
running on Vista or higher, not with Windows XP. IE6 doesn't support
SNI at all and never will to my knowledge.

Are you putting this on a live site to be accessed by unknown users on
the internet? If so, basically, don't. Most users on the internet will
not be running an SNI-capable browser.

-- Phil.

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RE: Number of https virtual hosts support underv2.0.59

am 12.03.2010 19:48:37 von Emmanuel Bailleul

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De=A0: Ruiyuan Jiang [mailto:Ruiyuan_Jiang@liz.com]
> Envoyé : vendredi 12 mars 2010 19:40
> À : users@httpd.apache.org
> Objet=A0: RE: [users@httpd] Number of https virtual hosts support under
> v2.0.59
>=20
> Hi, Philip
>=20
> I don't know how to configure SNI on Apache since I don't see anything
> from mod_ssl's document that Krist replied to me before. I assume it
> automatically works. I just configured ssl virtualhost the same way as
> http virtualhost plus ssl's unique requirements.
> I use Windows XP. I tested IE 8 with Vista on a MacBook and it works sinc=
e
> that is what I have at the moment.
> I was planning to have live sites on the internet by unknown users. Now I
> guess I need to have second thought.
> I tested on v2.0.59. It needs a lot of IPs for certs that I'd like to
> migrate to.
>=20
> Ryan
>=20
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip Wigg [mailto:phil@philipwigg.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 11:58 AM
> To: users@httpd.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Number of https virtual hosts support under
> v2.0.59
>=20
> On 12 March 2010 16:43, Ruiyuan Jiang wrote:
> > Hi, Krist
> >
> > I tested with Apache 2.2.15 reverse proxy with two certs on the Apache,
> one is real cert and the other is self-signed. The configuration is
> virtualhosts for ssl.
> > The results that I got are:
> >
> > On PC client:
> >
> > Firefox v3.5.8 showed correct certs, one real and the other is not.
> > IE 8 showed incorrect when I viewed the certs. The self-signed cert sit=
e
> used the real cert.
> >
> > On MAC client:
> >
> > Both Safari 4.0.4 and Firefox 3.5.2 showed correctly, one real and one
> self-signed cert.
> >
> > My question is eventually both sites will have real certs when I am don=
e
> testing. Will IE 6 and above uses the correct certs or only uses one cert=
,
> may be the first virtual host listed in ssl configuration file of Apache?
>=20
> Presuming you've configured SNI correctly, what operating system are
> you using? Note that SNI only works with IE 7 and 8 only work when
> running on Vista or higher, not with Windows XP. IE6 doesn't support
> SNI at all and never will to my knowledge.
>=20
> Are you putting this on a live site to be accessed by unknown users on
> the internet? If so, basically, don't. Most users on the internet will
> not be running an SNI-capable browser.
>=20
> -- Phil.
>=20

Hi,

You have a short desc here :
http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/NameBasedSSLVHostsWithSNI
and indeed, it should "just work".
You also have interesting test sites here :
https://sni.velox.ch/

Regards

Emmanuel

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RE: Number of https virtual hosts support underv2.0.59

am 12.03.2010 20:37:54 von Ruiyuan Jiang

Thanks, Emmanuel. Interesting test site.

Ryan

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From: Emmanuel Bailleul [mailto:Emmanuel.Bailleul@telindus.fr]=20
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:49 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] Number of https virtual hosts support under v2.0=
..59

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De=A0: Ruiyuan Jiang [mailto:Ruiyuan_Jiang@liz.com]
> Envoyé : vendredi 12 mars 2010 19:40
> À : users@httpd.apache.org
> Objet=A0: RE: [users@httpd] Number of https virtual hosts support under
> v2.0.59
>=20
> Hi, Philip
>=20
> I don't know how to configure SNI on Apache since I don't see anything
> from mod_ssl's document that Krist replied to me before. I assume it
> automatically works. I just configured ssl virtualhost the same way as
> http virtualhost plus ssl's unique requirements.
> I use Windows XP. I tested IE 8 with Vista on a MacBook and it works since
> that is what I have at the moment.
> I was planning to have live sites on the internet by unknown users. Now I
> guess I need to have second thought.
> I tested on v2.0.59. It needs a lot of IPs for certs that I'd like to
> migrate to.
>=20
> Ryan
>=20
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip Wigg [mailto:phil@philipwigg.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 11:58 AM
> To: users@httpd.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Number of https virtual hosts support under
> v2.0.59
>=20
> On 12 March 2010 16:43, Ruiyuan Jiang wrote:
> > Hi, Krist
> >
> > I tested with Apache 2.2.15 reverse proxy with two certs on the Apache,
> one is real cert and the other is self-signed. The configuration is
> virtualhosts for ssl.
> > The results that I got are:
> >
> > On PC client:
> >
> > Firefox v3.5.8 showed correct certs, one real and the other is not.
> > IE 8 showed incorrect when I viewed the certs. The self-signed cert site
> used the real cert.
> >
> > On MAC client:
> >
> > Both Safari 4.0.4 and Firefox 3.5.2 showed correctly, one real and one
> self-signed cert.
> >
> > My question is eventually both sites will have real certs when I am done
> testing. Will IE 6 and above uses the correct certs or only uses one cert,
> may be the first virtual host listed in ssl configuration file of Apache?
>=20
> Presuming you've configured SNI correctly, what operating system are
> you using? Note that SNI only works with IE 7 and 8 only work when
> running on Vista or higher, not with Windows XP. IE6 doesn't support
> SNI at all and never will to my knowledge.
>=20
> Are you putting this on a live site to be accessed by unknown users on
> the internet? If so, basically, don't. Most users on the internet will
> not be running an SNI-capable browser.
>=20
> -- Phil.
>=20

Hi,

You have a short desc here :
http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/NameBasedSSLVHostsWithSNI
and indeed, it should "just work".
You also have interesting test sites here :
https://sni.velox.ch/

Regards

Emmanuel

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RE: connections monitor

am 12.03.2010 22:34:55 von Brent Davidson

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> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Reese [mailto:howell.r@inkworkswell.com]
> Envoy=E9 : vendredi 12 mars 2010 19:17
> =C0 : users@httpd.apache.org
> Objet : Re: [users@httpd] connections monitor
>
> On 12-Mar-10 13:01, Brent Davidson wrote:
> > I am wondering if there is a way some of you are aware of to monitor
> concurrent connections to the Apache server, that does not include
> counting all the IP's in the access log at one point in time?
>
> Do you have shell access? Investigate the ps command, then investigate
> piping the top command through grep to isolate the processes you are
> interested in.
>
> Reese
>

Hi,

Why not have a look at mod_status :
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_status.html

and use it with some rrdtool based tool like collectd for ex. :
http://collectd.org/wiki/index.php/Plugin:Apache


Regards

Emmanuel



Thanks, I may need to get into this info down the road, but what I am looki=
ng for now is just a head count for the users coming to site. It is a dsl l=
ine so nothing to work with on ISP side. And I am not looking for "real-tim=
e", I am looking for maximum at any point in time.

I also do not have Apache installed yet. It is running on Xampp that someon=
e else installed for production (bad idea!).



Thanks,

Brent

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> -----Message d'origine--=
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> De : Reese [ arget=3D_blank>mailto:howell.r@inkworkswell.com]=

> Envoy=E9 : vendredi =3D_blank> 12 mars 2010 19:17
> =C0 : users@httpd.apache.org=

> Objet : Re: [users@httpd lank>] connections monitor
>
> On 12-Mar-10 13:01, Brent D=
avidson wrote:
> > I am wondering if there is a way some of you ar=
e aware of to monitor
> concurrent connections to the Apache server, =
that does not include
> counting all the IP's in the access log at on=
e point in time?
>
> Do you have shell access? Investigate the=
 ps command, then investigate
> piping th=
e top command through grep to isolate the proce=
sses you are
> interested in.
>
> Reese
>

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Regards

Emmanuel

 


Thanks, I may need to get into this info =
down the road, but what I am looking for now is just a head count for the u=
sers coming to site. It is a dsl line so nothin=
g to work with on ISP side. And I am not looking for "real-time", I am=
looking for maximum at any point in time.


I also do not have Apache installed yet. =
It is running on Xampp that someone else instal=
led for production (bad idea!).


 


Thanks,


Brent



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